emergency medical technician?

This section is to discuss anything related to the Security Industry

Moderators: Bulldog, Big Paul, karlbee, hippy, Door Bitch, Boz

Re: emergency medical technician?

Postby dave_hedgehog » 05 Feb 2012, 10:58

I think it is unlikely that many people without a military or law enforcement background will ever make any money in close protection (unless you have an in to that world like a family member who runs a company) the police and military guys have the best training and they got it free at the point of issue.

The reason the guys who have done the job for a government get the jobs is that they have a situational awareness that it is very hard to train into someone who doesn't have the right background or previous qualifications of being a soldier or patrol officer.


On the topic of medical qualifications there are loads of providers who run a course of a week or so and call you an EMT at the end of it, the NHS Technician qualification was a six week course followed by practice full time supervised by a training qualified paramedic. To become a Paramedic in the UK now you have to go to university they course is minimum 2 years most are 3 they are qualified to diploma or bachelors degree level much like nursing (the first courses were a copy with the extra street/ ambulance skills replacing some other bits of nursing).
Military medics do a minimum of 6 weeks to become a class 1 medic, the RAMC medics and the medics who work with SF or spearhead have stacks more time training and actual experience doing the job are various levels.
Opinions are like lottery tickets, most of them are worthless.
dave_hedgehog
WTD Head Door Supervisor
 
Posts: 735
Joined: 17 Jan 2006, 15:08
Location: East Midlands

Re: emergency medical technician?

Postby AndyH » 05 Feb 2012, 15:00

dave_hedgehog wrote:I think it is unlikely that many people without a military or law enforcement background will ever make any money in close protection (unless you have an in to that world like a family member who runs a company) the police and military guys have the best training and they got it free at the point of issue.

The reason the guys who have done the job for a government get the jobs is that they have a situational awareness that it is very hard to train into someone who doesn't have the right background or previous qualifications of being a soldier or patrol officer.


Not sure I would agree with you there mate. I have worked in the Close Protection industry on and off since 1997 and I have met a number of people who work full time in Close Protection roles who have no Military or Law Enforcement background. In the high risk environments, I could not agree more though.
AndyH
The Guvnor
 
Posts: 1490
Joined: 24 Jan 2005, 12:06
Location: Kent & London

Re: emergency medical technician?

Postby hippy » 05 Feb 2012, 17:29

I both agree and disagree with Mr Hedgehog. If we put hostile environment work to one side and concentrate on regular cp for a moment..
CP role is the direct oppersite of the skills taught an infantryman.
CP is conducted by 'law enforcement' types for a reason. The mind set of an ex SF steely eyed killer does not suit the cp environment either.
I would when hireing for a job look for those with their Govt training.. RMP, Special Branch, KMar, USSS, USMS, Guardi civil etc
My good blade carves the casques of men,
My tough lance thrusteth sure,
My strength is as the strength of ten,
Because my heart is pure.
hippy
Moderator
 
Posts: 3360
Joined: 27 Jan 2007, 13:22
Location: anywhere there is beer........

Re: emergency medical technician?

Postby AndyH » 05 Feb 2012, 18:29

hippy wrote:I both agree and disagree with Mr Hedgehog. If we put hostile environment work to one side and concentrate on regular cp for a moment..
CP role is the direct oppersite of the skills taught an infantryman.
CP is conducted by 'law enforcement' types for a reason. The mind set of an ex SF steely eyed killer does not suit the cp environment either.
I would when hireing for a job look for those with their Govt training.. RMP, Special Branch, KMar, USSS, USMS, Guardi civil etc



Some fair points mate, again I have worked with ex law enforcement some have been really good and some bad. I guess the mindset of a person, as well as there training, plays a big big part in how they are on a job!
AndyH
The Guvnor
 
Posts: 1490
Joined: 24 Jan 2005, 12:06
Location: Kent & London

Re: emergency medical technician?

Postby dave_hedgehog » 05 Feb 2012, 20:19

If your after people to drive backwards and forwards to the office and stand around outside rooms I'd go for ex RMP or DPG they spend their whole career practicing standing about doing not much.
Opinions are like lottery tickets, most of them are worthless.
dave_hedgehog
WTD Head Door Supervisor
 
Posts: 735
Joined: 17 Jan 2006, 15:08
Location: East Midlands

Re: emergency medical technician?

Postby Firebird_2 » 10 Feb 2012, 01:48

As I write this, my dog is growling in his sleep...

Right.. back to business..

As Door Bitch says. Don't waste your time and money (I don''t know why I bother saying that, the last guy didn't listen)

If I recall correctly, Arson is never spent, therefore will show on all CRB checks, which, if the employer do proper screening as they should, then you have 1 in a 100 chance. Can I ask why you're considering this career path?
User avatar
Firebird_2
The Guvnor
 
Posts: 6475
Joined: 14 Nov 2007, 12:34
Location: South Wales (M4 Corridor)

Re: emergency medical technician?

Postby hippy » 10 Feb 2012, 08:34

dave_hedgehog wrote:If your after people to drive backwards and forwards to the office and stand around outside rooms I'd go for ex RMP or DPG they spend their whole career practicing standing about doing not much.

So, what background would you go for? Remember we are NOT talking hostile environment here..
My good blade carves the casques of men,
My tough lance thrusteth sure,
My strength is as the strength of ten,
Because my heart is pure.
hippy
Moderator
 
Posts: 3360
Joined: 27 Jan 2007, 13:22
Location: anywhere there is beer........

Re: emergency medical technician?

Postby dave_hedgehog » 10 Feb 2012, 11:41

hippy wrote:
dave_hedgehog wrote:If your after people to drive backwards and forwards to the office and stand around outside rooms I'd go for ex RMP or DPG they spend their whole career practicing standing about doing not much.

So, what background would you go for? Remember we are NOT talking hostile environment here..


RMP and DPG are the experts at low risk environments (it's piss taking from other soldiers and cops that they are only good for standing outside an empty room or directing traffic). You could do it on the cheap with almost anyone with a driving licence but why bother if your not going to have a trained professional.

The switch from just driving or just guarding to actually countering a threat is the problem with using static security guards or anyone without specific training and a situational awareness in that field. Doing a week or two of training with some bloke who claims to have been the third man on the balcony isn't going to give them the situational awareness thats required. You need years of work in a suitable environment to get that awareness that something look wrong or is going to kick off.
Opinions are like lottery tickets, most of them are worthless.
dave_hedgehog
WTD Head Door Supervisor
 
Posts: 735
Joined: 17 Jan 2006, 15:08
Location: East Midlands

Re: emergency medical technician?

Postby Firebird_2 » 10 Feb 2012, 12:42

I think it depends on your situation in order to judge situational awareness. For Low Threat stuff, such as escorting a radio 1 DJ in a club environment, I think a background on the doors actually helps with situational awareness.

The problem I've seen in CP is too many people trying too hard, too many people think they instantly have to be Chuck Norris, and way too many people think too much, to the extent they over think it, and the granny that is half asleep starting to undertake you is an intentional threat to your principal.
User avatar
Firebird_2
The Guvnor
 
Posts: 6475
Joined: 14 Nov 2007, 12:34
Location: South Wales (M4 Corridor)

Re: emergency medical technician?

Postby noise stopper » 10 Feb 2012, 21:03

Firebird_2 wrote:I think it depends on your situation in order to judge situational awareness. For Low Threat stuff, such as escorting a radio 1 DJ in a club environment, I think a background on the doors actually helps with situational awareness.

The problem I've seen in CP is too many people trying too hard, too many people think they instantly have to be Chuck Norris, and way too many people think too much, to the extent they over think it, and the granny that is half asleep starting to undertake you is an intentional threat to your principal.

Never underestimate a granny mate, mine could break a swan's wing with one bat of her eyelid! :lol:
It takes more than good intentions and a big bloke on the door.
noise stopper
The Guvnor
 
Posts: 5795
Joined: 15 Oct 2008, 08:47
Location: Sunny Sussex

Re: emergency medical technician?

Postby Faukner » 14 Feb 2012, 11:17

I thought this topic was about an arsonist who thought an EMT certificate would improve his chances of getting a job in the CP environment?
Faukner
WTD Door Supervisor
 
Posts: 286
Joined: 09 Feb 2012, 20:37
Location: Almost up Shit Creek

Re: emergency medical technician?

Postby Faukner » 14 Feb 2012, 11:18

Lets be honest here, no chance!
Faukner
WTD Door Supervisor
 
Posts: 286
Joined: 09 Feb 2012, 20:37
Location: Almost up Shit Creek

Re: emergency medical technician?

Postby monkeydave » 22 Feb 2012, 22:55

daithi m wrote:Would having an emt and emfr certificate on the cv be of much benefit when it comes to getting work in close protection and also if anybody knows about maritime security?
I have a criminal record for an arson offence about 5 years ago so i need some advantages on my cv if i am to have any hope of getting work

thoughts please?

Dave


I'm a medic in the NHS and i know for fact you would not pass E_CRB (for any security employer or the NHS) to look after vulnerable patients/casualties considering your offence must be so serious you still have passport restrictions after 5 years?! :shock:

I find it incredible that you are on here asking about doing EMT etc as an add on to CP, before even earning your DS/CP badge and putting in a few years on the job experience. Stop walting, and get a job in another industry, as no one would touch you, or trust you with a barge pole in the security sector or the NHS :!:

Harsh..(maybe).. but the truth... take it or leave it, if you want to waste your money on training courses, your loss :roll:

Don't believe me... just check the SIA or HPC websites :idea:
monkeydave
WTD Head Door Supervisor
 
Posts: 444
Joined: 03 Sep 2009, 16:54

Previous

Return to Security Related Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot], Yahoo [Bot] and 2 guests