emergency medical technician?

[dave_hedgehog]

I think it is unlikely that many people without a military or law enforcement background will ever make any money in close protection (unless you have an in to that world like a family member who runs a company) the police and military guys have the best training and they got it free at the point of issue.

The reason the guys who have done the job for a government get the jobs is that they have a situational awareness that it is very hard to train into someone who doesn't have the right background or previous qualifications of being a soldier or patrol officer.


On the topic of medical qualifications there are loads of providers who run a course of a week or so and call you an EMT at the end of it, the NHS Technician qualification was a six week course followed by practice full time supervised by a training qualified paramedic. To become a Paramedic in the UK now you have to go to university they course is minimum 2 years most are 3 they are qualified to diploma or bachelors degree level much like nursing (the first courses were a copy with the extra street/ ambulance skills replacing some other bits of nursing).
Military medics do a minimum of 6 weeks to become a class 1 medic, the RAMC medics and the medics who work with SF or spearhead have stacks more time training and actual experience doing the job are various levels.

[AndyH]

I think it is unlikely that many people without a military or law enforcement background will ever make any money in close protection (unless you have an in to that world like a family member who runs a company) the police and military guys have the best training and they got it free at the point of issue.

The reason the guys who have done the job for a government get the jobs is that they have a situational awareness that it is very hard to train into someone who doesn't have the right background or previous qualifications of being a soldier or patrol officer.

Not sure I would agree with you there mate. I have worked in the Close Protection industry on and off since 1997 and I have met a number of people who work full time in Close Protection roles who have no Military or Law Enforcement background. In the high risk environments, I could not agree more though.

[hippy]

I both agree and disagree with Mr Hedgehog. If we put hostile environment work to one side and concentrate on regular cp for a moment..
CP role is the direct oppersite of the skills taught an infantryman.
CP is conducted by 'law enforcement' types for a reason. The mind set of an ex SF steely eyed killer does not suit the cp environment either.
I would when hireing for a job look for those with their Govt training.. RMP, Special Branch, KMar, USSS, USMS, Guardi civil etc

[AndyH]

I both agree and disagree with Mr Hedgehog. If we put hostile environment work to one side and concentrate on regular cp for a moment..
CP role is the direct oppersite of the skills taught an infantryman.
CP is conducted by 'law enforcement' types for a reason. The mind set of an ex SF steely eyed killer does not suit the cp environment either.
I would when hireing for a job look for those with their Govt training.. RMP, Special Branch, KMar, USSS, USMS, Guardi civil etc

Some fair points mate, again I have worked with ex law enforcement some have been really good and some bad. I guess the mindset of a person, as well as there training, plays a big big part in how they are on a job!

[dave_hedgehog]

If your after people to drive backwards and forwards to the office and stand around outside rooms I'd go for ex RMP or DPG they spend their whole career practicing standing about doing not much.

[Firebird_2]

As I write this, my dog is growling in his sleep...

Right.. back to business..

As Door Bitch says. Don't waste your time and money (I don''t know why I bother saying that, the last guy didn't listen)

If I recall correctly, Arson is never spent, therefore will show on all CRB checks, which, if the employer do proper screening as they should, then you have 1 in a 100 chance. Can I ask why you're considering this career path?

[hippy]

If your after people to drive backwards and forwards to the office and stand around outside rooms I'd go for ex RMP or DPG they spend their whole career practicing standing about doing not much.

So, what background would you go for? Remember we are NOT talking hostile environment here..

[dave_hedgehog]

If your after people to drive backwards and forwards to the office and stand around outside rooms I'd go for ex RMP or DPG they spend their whole career practicing standing about doing not much.

So, what background would you go for? Remember we are NOT talking hostile environment here..

RMP and DPG are the experts at low risk environments (it's piss taking from other soldiers and cops that they are only good for standing outside an empty room or directing traffic). You could do it on the cheap with almost anyone with a driving licence but why bother if your not going to have a trained professional.

The switch from just driving or just guarding to actually countering a threat is the problem with using static security guards or anyone without specific training and a situational awareness in that field. Doing a week or two of training with some bloke who claims to have been the third man on the balcony isn't going to give them the situational awareness thats required. You need years of work in a suitable environment to get that awareness that something look wrong or is going to kick off.

[Firebird_2]

I think it depends on your situation in order to judge situational awareness. For Low Threat stuff, such as escorting a radio 1 DJ in a club environment, I think a background on the doors actually helps with situational awareness.

The problem I've seen in CP is too many people trying too hard, too many people think they instantly have to be Chuck Norris, and way too many people think too much, to the extent they over think it, and the granny that is half asleep starting to undertake you is an intentional threat to your principal.

[noise stopper]

I think it depends on your situation in order to judge situational awareness. For Low Threat stuff, such as escorting a radio 1 DJ in a club environment, I think a background on the doors actually helps with situational awareness.

The problem I've seen in CP is too many people trying too hard, too many people think they instantly have to be Chuck Norris, and way too many people think too much, to the extent they over think it, and the granny that is half asleep starting to undertake you is an intentional threat to your principal.

Never underestimate a granny mate, mine could break a swan's wing with one bat of her eyelid!

[Faukner]

I thought this topic was about an arsonist who thought an EMT certificate would improve his chances of getting a job in the CP environment?

[Faukner]

Lets be honest here, no chance!

[monkeydave]

Would having an emt and emfr certificate on the cv be of much benefit when it comes to getting work in close protection and also if anybody knows about maritime security?
I have a criminal record for an arson offence about 5 years ago so i need some advantages on my cv if i am to have any hope of getting work

thoughts please?

Dave

I'm a medic in the NHS and i know for fact you would not pass E_CRB (for any security employer or the NHS) to look after vulnerable patients/casualties considering your offence must be so serious you still have passport restrictions after 5 years?!

I find it incredible that you are on here asking about doing EMT etc as an add on to CP, before even earning your DS/CP badge and putting in a few years on the job experience. Stop walting, and get a job in another industry, as no one would touch you, or trust you with a barge pole in the security sector or the NHS

Harsh..(maybe).. but the truth... take it or leave it, if you want to waste your money on training courses, your loss

Don't believe me... just check the SIA or HPC websites